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Monday, February 4, 2019

A Forced GET makes a mamzer if the wife remarries with it, but what if the husband has a doubt about giving the GET is it a doubtful mamzer?


One may not Force a GET

Dovid Eidensohn



This is the opinion of the Shulchan Aruch Even Hoezer 77.2 quoting the Rashbo in VII.414 “It is forbidden to force a GET. If the husband wants to, he divorces her. If he doesn’t want to, he doesn”t.

 All of the commentators there forbid forcing a GET. However, the Gro there brings that those who forbid forcing a GET are the Rosh, the Rashbo, the Ran,S and the Ritva. He says further that although Rambam and Rashbam disagree with this, this is this halocho that forcing a GET is wrong. Rambam in the very beginning of laws of Divorce says that the Torah requires a willing GET given by the husband or the GET is worthless. If so, those who forbid forcing a GET mean that the child born from a woman who is divorced by a forced GET, are mamzerim.

Note that the Gro says that Rashbam and Rambam disagree and would allow a husband to be forced to divorce his wife. But the Rambam on that subject does not say this. He says rather that if a woman does not ask for a GET but stays in the house and takes care of the children doing basic housework, but denies the husband marital intimacy, we force a GET, on the condition that Beth Din gives the husband time to straighten out his marriage. If he fails after the stipulated time to do this, we force a GET. But if she demands a GET, there is an open Mishneh in Nedorim 90b that we do not trust a woman these days to force a GET, they were trusted in earlier times, but today women learned to lie about their husbands to get a GET so today we don’t believe them anymore. The Vilna Gaon brings this from a Tosfose in Kesubose 63b a lengthy Tosfose where Rabbeinu Tam forbids forcing a GET but some other such as Rashbam permitted it. The question it:

What does Rashbam do with the Mishneh which is not contradicted anywhere? The same question can be asked of the Modern Orthodox who created an obligation on all husbands to pay their wives $150 a day for each day after he denied he a GET. What do they do with the Mishneh that today and for hundreds of years since the Mishneh in Nedarim, we don’t allow a woman to force a GET?

Perhaps Rashbam holds like the Rambam, that we can force a GET if the women is against her husband having marital relations with her but stays in the house and takes care of the children. If she doesn’t mention asking for a GET the Mishneh does not apply, at least according to the Rambam. Rashbam could agree. But if she asks for a GET Rambam could also agree with the Mishneh that she has no right to force a GET.

Be advised also that a mamzer is a terrible thing. But worse than a mamzer is a doubtful mamzer. A mamzer may marry a mamzeres. But a doubtful mamzer may not marry a mamzeres and may not marry a Jewish woman.

A doubtful mamzer is discussed in Shulchan Aruch Even Hoezer 4:24.  A doubtful mamzer is described as a man who marries a woman who is possibly married to another man. If she is really married to him and he has a baby from her, the baby is a mamzer. But if there is a doubt if she is married to that other man, a child born from her is a doubtful mamzer.

I had a question as follows: A husband is being forced terribly to divorce his wife so that he just can’t take it any more. So he gives the GET with bitterness as he is absolutely opposed to being forced. But when he comes to give the GET he realizes that if the GET is worthless, his wife cannot remarry, but, he also cannot remarry, because he never divorced his wife. If so, and if he thinks this way, and has a doubt if he really wants to divorce his wife, and especially if he revealed his thoughts to people so that somebody would marry him with no fear, the GET is probably good. Because a forced GET when we know the husband accepts it is probably kosher. But what if we don’t have two witnesses to this, maybe one witness, or maybe people spoke to the husband and know that he was afraid of not being able to remarry and may have decided to make a kosher GET maybe not. Does that make the child a doubtful mamzer that he cannot marry a mamzeres or a Jewish woman?


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