marriage be
allowed to remarry her first husband if the second one died (or
"divorced") her?
Questions about the Laws of Pilegesh from Deena Tova on my blog torahhalacha.blogspot.com.
Questions about the Laws of Pilegesh from Deena Tova on my blog torahhalacha.blogspot.com.
Questions;
1) A women who had a kosher divorce and remarried a second husband with a pelegesh marriage. Is she allowed to remarry her first husband if the second one died (or "divorced") her?
2) Would a kohen who married using a pelegesh marriage be allowed to stay with his wife if she was lo alanu raped.
3) Would the children of a pelegesh marriage of the father being a kohen be considered kosher kohanim?
4) Would a man be allowed to marry more than one wife with a pelegesh marriage?
5) Would a women who married by pelegesh marriage and "divorced" be allowed to marry a kohen?
6) Why would there be a problem about a lady going to a regular mikvah? Who has to know if it is a marriage by kiddushin or by pelegesh marriage?
7) Would this solve problems if a husband dies but it can't be proven, or he disappears, that the wife could somehow get remarried?
8) Would this mean that the wife’s earning in a pelegesh marriage belongs to her?
1) A women who had a kosher divorce and remarried a second husband with a pelegesh marriage. Is she allowed to remarry her first husband if the second one died (or "divorced") her?
2) Would a kohen who married using a pelegesh marriage be allowed to stay with his wife if she was lo alanu raped.
3) Would the children of a pelegesh marriage of the father being a kohen be considered kosher kohanim?
4) Would a man be allowed to marry more than one wife with a pelegesh marriage?
5) Would a women who married by pelegesh marriage and "divorced" be allowed to marry a kohen?
6) Why would there be a problem about a lady going to a regular mikvah? Who has to know if it is a marriage by kiddushin or by pelegesh marriage?
7) Would this solve problems if a husband dies but it can't be proven, or he disappears, that the wife could somehow get remarried?
8) Would this mean that the wife’s earning in a pelegesh marriage belongs to her?
Thank you very much
for your really excellent questions. First of all, when somebody wants to know
what the halacha is in a specific case, there are two kinds. One is a case,
such as is a food kosher, or what we may do on Shabbos, which is something
taught in many books easily available, and is well known to the various rabbis
who work in these areas regularly. Then there is a question about Pilegesh. Who
today is involved in these questions? There are here or there somebody married
as a Pilegesh, but I don’t know how many rabbis are experts in the halacha of
Pilegesh.
Second of all, when I
suggest somebody marrying with Pilegesh, it is mainly because I have a terrible
fear of Kiddushin. For most women, when the marriage sours, they will find a
“rabbi” who will tell them to force a GET from their husband, and some of them,
all over the world now, just tell a woman to leave with no GET! Children born
from an invalid GET or surely from no GET are mamzerim. Thus, when I trumpet
how important Pilegesh is, it is because most women today cannot be trusted to
spend their whole lives with a husband they don’t like. People like that should
not marry with Kiddushin in the first place. For them Pilegesh is preferable.
Whenever she wants, she just leaves. And the gemora in Sanhedrin 21A, quoted by
the Vilna Gaon in the beginning of the Laws of Kiddushin in Shulchan Aruch,
clearly states that people may marry a Pilegesh without making Kiddushin.
Thus, I would not
necessarily tell a woman who is positive she can maintain her life with a bad
husband forever, with never violating the Torah and making an invalid GET or no
GET, to marry not with Kiddushin but with Pilegesh. Having said that, another
side of me says that today things are bad, and in ten years, they will be much
worse, and in twenty years, very, very bad. That is what is happening today. If
so, I would really be happy if no woman marries with Kiddushin, because who
knows?
We have two major
poskim who strongly suggest marrying with Pilegesh. One is the Ramban and the
other is Reb Yaacov Emden, son of the Chacham Tsvi. The Ramban states clearly
that Pilegesh is permitted, period. He even claims that the Rambam agreed with
him. The other person is Reb Yaacov
Emden, who is very strong about encouraging Pilegesh, but for different reasons.
He maintains that many people need the freedom to marry a Pilegesh, for various
reasons. His approach is that Pilegesh can save many people from many terrible
sins and problems.
My great fear today of
women stuck in marriages done with Kiddushin is rooted in the reality that
today major rabbis, the biggest names, are encouraging many women to remarry
without a kosher GET and thus have children who are mamzerim. The count of
mamzerim is going to rise more and more and the only hope is Pilegesh. Pilegesh
is the only way to solve the problem of making mamzerim with invalid Gittin.
Unless the husband dies!
Now let us get to the
excellent questions. Some questions can have a strong answer and some a
doubtful answer, but at least, let us try to answer as well as we can. That is,
when we have to answer a question we like to find sources that say clearly what
the answer is. But in Pilegesh there are very few sources that tell us clear
answers, and even the ones who do tell us various things don’t do it in the
clearest fashion. So, some questions here will be answered one way and some the
other. I will do what I can bli neder.
Let me add another
important thing. The laws of Pilegesh are much more lenient than the laws of
Kiddushin. People today are accustomed to Kiddushin and yet, to avoid mamzerim,
we encourage people to think about marrying with Pilegesh. And yet, if we talk
about the leniencies some rabbis have in Pilegesh, we will lose respect for
those who considered marriage in conservative terms. I am very strong in that.
Meaning that I believe that somebody who wants to marry Pilegesh must only do
it with a rabbi and preferably a Beth Din backing them. This Beth Din, I feel,
must prepare for the Pilegesh people the ability to leave the marriage at any time,
to avoid the terror of Agunose. But to go into the leniencies some rabbis may
have for Pilegesh can spoil people’s appreciation or acceptance of Pilegesh.
Therefore, I want to present Pilegesh mainly as a regular marriage with a
conservative bent, the exception being that the Pilegesh people can leave at
any time with no penalty. The answers I supply here reflect this latter
conservative belt.
Questions from Deena
Tova;
1) A women had a kosher divorce and remarried a second husband with a pelegesh marriage. Is she allowed to remarry her first husband if the second one died (or "divorced") her?
1) A women had a kosher divorce and remarried a second husband with a pelegesh marriage. Is she allowed to remarry her first husband if the second one died (or "divorced") her?
Answer from Dovid
Eidensohn
See also Shulchan Aruch
Even Hoezer 12:7 “A Pilegesh is married to
a man, and she decides to leave him and marry somebody else, must wait 92 days [as
taught in the entire chapter there that people who may be pregnant must wait 92
days and some include even those who cannot have children, etc.] The Chelkas Mechokake
there #6 who says, “We are talking that she became pregnant in error, and yes, if a Pilegesh becomes pregnant
from her [Pilegesh] husband and then she goes and takes Kiddushin marriage from
another man, and then is divorced from him with a kosher GET, she may return to
her first husband [married with Kiddushin], just as a woman married with Kiddushin
who was divorced from him with a proper GET may remarry her Kiddushin husband, because
a Pilegesh goes with the name of the first husband [who had Kiddushin].
Questions from Deena
Tova;
1) A women had a kosher divorce and remarried a second husband with a pelegesh marriage. Is she allowed to remarry her first husband if the second one died (or "divorced") her?
1) A women had a kosher divorce and remarried a second husband with a pelegesh marriage. Is she allowed to remarry her first husband if the second one died (or "divorced") her?
Answer from Dovid
Eidensohn
If the first husband
gave her kiddushin, as it seems from the question, and then made a kosher
divorce, that husband still has a connection with the divorced lady, from
Kiddushin. If so, if the lady married previously with kiddushin then married
with Pilegesh, whereby the husband does not acquire here and there is no
compelling the woman to refrain from this or that husband, and no kiddushin
that can interfere here, it would seem that she should be able to return to the
first husband who does have a connection with her from his kiddushin. It makes
no difference if the second Pilegesh husband died or “divorced” her, because
Pilegesh doesn’t have the problems of Kiddushin, only basically to honor
marriage with faithful dignity.
See also Shulchan Aruch
Even Hoezer 12:7 “A Pilegesh is married to
a man, and she decides to leave him and marry somebody else, must wait 92 days [as
taught in the entire chapter there that people who may be pregnant must wait 92
days and some include even those who cannot have children, etc.] The Chelkas Mechokake
there #6 who says, “We are talking that she became pregnant in error, and yes, if a Pilegesh becomes pregnant
from her [Pilegesh] husband and then she goes and takes Kiddushin marriage from
another man, and then is divorced from him with a kosher GET, she may return to
her first husband [married with Kiddushin], just as a woman married with Kiddushin
who was divorced from him with a proper GET may remarry her Kiddushin husband, because
a Pilegesh goes with the name of the first husband [who had Kiddushin].
2) Would a kohen who
married using a pelegesh marriage be allowed to stay with his wife if she was
lo alanu raped?
Answer: See Even
Hoezer 6:10 – If the wife of a Kohen is slept with even if it was forced is
forbidden to her husband. See Beis Shmuel there 22 that the wife is forbidden
to her Kohen husband because she is a zona. Thus even if the rapist was a
Yisroel or a gentile the wife becomes a zona because we rule that any one who
is forbidden to marry the woman and sleeps with her in sin whether willingly or
forced she becomes a zona and is forbidden to a Kohen. If the woman and her
husband were Pilegesh recall that the
Ramban says clearly that Pilegesh marriage does not give the husband
acquisition like Kiddushin, it does not forbid marrying somebody else as
Kiddushin does, and it does not convey a holiness as Kiddushin does, and that
holiness can make problems but only in Kiddushin, as it does not function with
Pilegesh. On the other hand, Pilegesh is certainly a marriage, otherwise the
Torah does not permit men and women to be together with Kiddushin or Pilegesh
marriage. If Pilegesh is a marriage even if it has less strict laws than
Kiddushin, it is still a marriage. And if it is a real Torah recognized
marriage (see Sanhedrin 21A and the Gro in the beginning of the laws of
Kiddushin in Shulchan Aruch) and if the woman would leave her husband and go
down the block to sleep with somebody she would violate Pilegesh marriage, it
is quite possible that the wife would even in rape, become a zonah. If so, she
is forbidden to her Kohen husband. However, there is no open source for this
and those who talk about Kiddushin and a woman who becomes a zona for sleeping
with somebody forbidden to her, do not talk about Pilegesh. So I cannot be
sure, because even the Ramban never said that Pilegesh is not a marriage.
Because if it is not a marriage, is it from the street? If so, why is Pilegesh
not forbidden if it not really a marriage?
3) Would the children
of a pelegesh marriage of the father being a kohen be considered kosher
kohanim?
Answer. Rav Yaacov
Emden the son of the Chacham Tsvi in his sefer שאילת יעקץ
II:15 at the end says
that “(in a Pilegesh marriage) the husband should explain to her that a child
born from their Pilegesh marriage will be כשרים כשאר
מיוחסים בישראל.” Pilegesh is a real marriage and the children are full Jewish
children. If the father is a kohen and the marriage is Pilegesh his marriage is
one כשאר מיוחסים בישראל. Thus, we would
assume that the child is a Cohen. The exception might be in earlier times when
Kohanim invented for their own pride higher standards for marriage. Most Jewish
marriages give a woman two hundred zuz, but some Kohanim insisted on four
hundred zuz. If, for some reason, the family didn’t want Israelites or Levites
but only Cohanim, although this has nothing to do with halacha, the non-Kohen
may not be welcomed, but not because she is Pilegesh, but because of the
invention of higher standards which is a privilege of the priesthood, Kehuna at
least in earlier times when people did these things. I don’t know if there are
people today who do these things, I just don’t know.
4) Would a man be
allowed to marry more than one wife with a pelegesh marriage?
Answer: It would seem
from the Gaon Rav Yaacov Emnden at the end of his teshuva on Pilegesh II:15
that a Talmid Chochom had no children from his wife and therefore got
permission to marry a Pilegesh to have a child, and this Rav Yaacov Emden
praises and says that Pilegesh can save people from problems such as that. But
that was an urgent problem and he doesn’t say that people can just go around
marrying two or ten ladies with Pilegesh. Also, I personally would have nothing
to do with people who marry with Pilegesh and then marry with such marriages,
because it will destroy respect for Pilegesh. Right now there is a very strong
push against Pilegesh, and to do these things just makes it worse. I tell
people that Pilegesh is better than mamzerim, and that many rabbis permit
forced marriages or no marriages for a woman with Kiddushin who wants to leave
her husband even if that makes mamzerim. But these same “rabbis” may be against
Pilegesh! And some people accept what I say because they know it is true. But
if we start with these leniencies, I don’t know if people will tolerate it and
it could bring Pilegesh crashing down chas vishalom, and then the mamzerim…
5) Would a women who
married by pelegesh marriage and "divorced" be allowed to marry a
kohen?
Answer: Rav Yaacov
Emden quoted above says that a child from a Pilegesh marriage is כשרים כשאר מיוחסים בישראל. If so, I see no reason to forbid a
Pilegesh woman from a Kohen. There were times when Kohanim made up higher
standards for themselves than others, but I don’t know if today they do these
things. Thus, such a question really belongs to the Kohen. Is he from such a
group or family of Kohanim that feels denigrated by taking somebody who is not
a Kohen or other such higher standards, and maybe, in that grouping, is a
negation of Pilegesh. But if the Kohen himself has no such custom in his
family, and the Yaavetz says as mentioned before that the child she will have
from Pilegesh are like the מיוחסים בישראל
I don’t see why there should be a problem. But again, this depends on whether
the Cohanim themselves will accept this, and the one to ask is the husband she
wants to marry, or perhaps a Rov who deals with Kohanim.
6 Why would there be a problem about a lady
going to a regular mikvah? Who has to know if it is a marriage by kiddushin or
by pelegesh marriage?
Answer: This is an
area where the people who run the Mikva can make the rules. We had before about
a Pilegesh marrying a Kohen. I said that some families of Kohanim have higher
standards than the Shulchan Aruch about who they marry. The same is true about
people who control the Mikva. They make up rules appropriate for their
understanding. I was in Israel once talking to a Gadol HaDor and the Mikva lady
came over and said that somebody wants to
use the Mikva, and it was a person that had a problem. The Rov thought a
moment and then said let her enter. Yes, it is a mitsvah to go to the Mikva,
but on the other hand, there may be, from the people running the Mikva,
standards they feel are appropriate.
This is why it is
important for people marrying with Pilegesh to work with a local Rov who will
point out to them areas that could be a problem. A Mikva is one of these areas.
Not because there is any kind of sin for a Pilegesh lady to go to the Mikva.
This is clearly taught in the Shulchan Aruch beginning of laws of Kiddushin. If
the Pilegesh goes to the Mikva, of course, they should do that. But the smart
way is to have their supporting rabbi talk to those in charge of the Mikva so
there won’t be problems. The case I mentioned above about a Gadol HaDor who was
approached by the Mikva lady was also a case, as I recall, that the Rov was not
satisfied that she had received the full education of something, but not to go
to a Mikva, if so, that will be much worse. Of course, the proper thing is to
make sure that such a lady gets the right teaching and training, like all
Jewish ladies, and that should be the job of the Mikva people. Just to refuse
somebody to enter a Mikva is not proper, because if somebody doesn’t know where
to go to get lessons on Mikva, why not get somebody to teach them instead of
expelling them?
7) Would this solve
problems if a husband dies but it can't be proven, or he disappears, that the
wife could somehow get remarried?
Answer: Yes, the wife
could just declare that she breaks the marriage and what happened with the
husband will in no way negate that. She is free to remarry.
8) Would this mean
that the wife’s earning in a pelegesh marriage belongs to her?
Answer: A Pilegesh
marriage is about two married people who have to work things out. Pilegesh does
not have a Kesubo as Kiddushin does. It is a marriage, but that marriage is
best organized in all of its aspects between the husband and wife. I spoke to a
lady who married with Pilegesh and every year she sits with her husband and
makes up a list of what to do that year with this or that. She has a wonderful
marriage and has been blessed with fine children. But every year they sit down
and discuss about next year and their goals.
Thank you very much
for your really excellent questions. First of all, when somebody wants to know
what the halacha is in a specific case, there are two kinds. One is a case,
such as is a food kosher, or what we may do on Shabbos, which is something
taught in many books easily available, and is well known to the various rabbis
who work in these areas regularly. Then there is a question about Pilegesh. Who
today is involved in these questions? There are here or there somebody married
as a Pilegesh, but I don’t know how many rabbis are experts in the halacha of
Pilegesh.
Second of all, when I
suggest somebody marrying with Pilegesh, it is mainly because I have a terrible
fear of Kiddushin. For most women, when the marriage sours, they will find a
“rabbi” who will tell them to force a GET from their husband, and some of them,
all over the world now, just tell a woman to leave with no GET! Children born
from an invalid GET or surely from no GET are mamzerim. Thus, when I trumpet
how important Pilegesh is, it is because most women today cannot be trusted to
spend their whole lives with a husband they don’t like. People like that should
not marry with Kiddushin in the first place. For them Pilegesh is preferable.
Whenever she wants, she just leaves. And the gemora in Sanhedrin 21A, quoted by
the Vilna Gaon in the beginning of the Laws of Kiddushin in Shulchan Aruch,
clearly states that people may marry a Pilegesh without making Kiddushin.
Thus, I would not
necessarily tell a woman who is positive she can maintain her life with a bad
husband forever, with never violating the Torah and making an invalid GET or no
GET, to marry not with Kiddushin but with Pilegesh. Having said that, another
side of me says that today things are bad, and in ten years, they will be much
worse, and in twenty years, very, very bad. That is what is happening today. If
so, I would really be happy if no woman marries with Kiddushin, because who
knows?
We have two major
poskim who strongly suggest marrying with Pilegesh. One is the Ramban and the
other is Reb Yaacov Emden, son of the Chacham Tsvi. The Ramban states clearly
that Pilegesh is permitted, period. He even claims that the Rambam agreed with
him if the Pilegesh marries as husband and wife, not zenuce chas vishalom. The other person is Reb Yaacov Emden, who is
very strong about encouraging Pilegesh, but for different reasons. He maintains
that many people need the freedom to marry a Pilegesh, for various reasons. His
approach is that Pilegesh can save many people from many terrible sins and
problems.
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